This is the biggest problem facing Chinese phone brands
Chinese brands make some of the best Android phones, but they're still perceived to be budget-centric.
My favorite phone of the year is the Xiaomi 13 Ultra — it has the best cameras of any phone today, the hardware is exquisite, and it has all the extras I need. It edges out the Galaxy S23 Ultra in several key areas, but convincing somebody to pick up the phone in lieu of Samsung's offering is a different matter altogether.
The decision has nothing to do with hardware, but Xiaomi's cachet in the high-end segment. Although the brand has been making premium phones for nearly a decade now, it's still thought of as a budget-focused brand, and while it tried to shake off that image with a rebranding effort — pushing the Redmi series into its own label, while launching mid-range and high-end devices under Xiaomi branding — it's safe to say that hasn't paid off.
This isn't just an issue with Xiaomi either — OPPO, Vivo, and Honor face the same drawbacks in the premium segment. This was made evident in recent exchanges I had with relatives; I was at a wedding last week, and the conversation ostensibly turned to tech (as it does when I'm around).
I was talking about foldables being the next big thing, and one of the attendees mentioned he'd been using the Galaxy Z Flip 3 for over a year. He was generally letdown by the foldable experience; the screen on his unit broke twice, and the plastic layer covering the inner screen started to peel off just two months after getting the panel switched out a second time.
I suggested he take a look at the OPPO Find N3 Flip instead; I used the foldable alongside the Z Flip 5, and OPPO's version is significantly better than Samsung across the board. It has a smoother hinge, less visible crease, better cameras, and a battery that lasts longer. I said as much, but he wouldn't consider it as he didn't think of OPPO as a high-end brand. This person had been buying Samsung phones bi-yearly going back to the original Galaxy Note, and to him, Samsung was the only premium Android manufacturer.
This is a sentiment that's echoed constantly; in the higher echelons of the smartphone category, it's just Samsung and Apple that are seen as legitimate contenders. Obviously, this isn't the case with enthusiasts, but when it comes to a majority of mainstream buyers, Samsung is the de facto choice when thinking of a phone purchase.
So even though OPPO made a phone that's better in every regard, it's Samsung that ultimately gets the sale, and that's all down to brand cachet. Samsung managed to cultivate its image over the course of the last decade, and even when its products are inferior, it comes out ahead because it excels in the one area that matters the most: customer perception.
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Xiaomi made its way up the ranks by undercutting its rivals in the budget segment, and that's the image of the brand now — regardless of how many innovative phones and foldables it releases. In a similar vein, OPPO and Vivo are seen as mid-range brands that have middling software, even though ColorOS has made a remarkable turnaround over the last three years.
The one manufacturer that avoided being pigeonholed into the budget category is OnePlus; its focus on value-focused flagships allowed it to carve out a better image, and the subsequent launch of the Nord series hasn't tarnished its cachet. This is why OPPO chose to launch the OnePlus Open in most global markets — the OnePlus label has a much better chance against Samsung.
In fact, OPPO missed out by not introducing a OnePlus version of the Find N3 Flip; that device would have given Samsung a reason to worry. For now though, Chinese manufacturers need to do just as much to polish their image as they did to clean up their software in recent years.
Harish Jonnalagadda is Android Central's Senior Editor of Asia. In his current role, he oversees the site's coverage of Chinese phone brands, networking products, and AV gear. He has been testing phones for over a decade, and has extensive experience in mobile hardware and the global semiconductor industry. Contact him on Twitter at @chunkynerd.
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tenexe
You in fact missed 90% of the reasons people don't pick these devices so let me clarify all the things you failed to mention that in fact are quite important.AC News said:Chinese phone manufacturers make some of the best hardware you can buy, but they lack Samsung's cachet.
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The first is there are real concerns about Chinese Technology products collecting information and spying on us. That is actually a valid concern you fail to even recognize. You can certainly dismiss it as not important to you but if you are trying to be objective failing to mention this is undermines your credibility.
You actually failed to mention any of the biggest reasons but rather the ones you choose to endorse.AC News said:Chinese phone manufacturers make some of the best hardware you can buy, but they lack Samsung's cachet.
This is the biggest problem facing Chinese phone brands : Read more
The biggest reason in the USA is because there are serious and valid concerns about Chinese companies collecting data and spying on us through their technology. A valid concern whether you mention it or not and if you want to be taken seriously you can't pick and choose.
The other big reason is because none of the carriers actually carry these phones. Most people get phones where they pay them off over time and trade them up. If this phone isn't available through that means it loses business. Has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Samsung's Cachet just availability. Not everyone can just drop 1600.00 for a new phone from their wallet at one time. Another issue you fail to mention.
It also doesn't come down to customer perception it comes down to Marketing. Again, you fail to assign any blame to the phone manufacturer you choose to support. People are essentially not that bright. If you think they have informed perceptions around anything you are delusional. People's perceptions in this day and age are based on what they are told to believe.
I've never even heard of these phones until recently. That's not Samsung's problem that's Xiaomi's problem. They fail in the area of marketing. Plain and simple. You do a great job of trying to deflect blame to the people showing yourself a true biased fanboy of the brand.
Then you go on about the foldables and mention another brand. Of course you go back to comparing to Samsung. It sounds like you have an issue with Samsung because the company you favor failed to market their devices or make them available in a competitive market. Again that's not an issue that has anything to do with Samsung.
I just bought the Galaxy S23 Ultra. It will likely be the last Samsung phone or product I will ever purchase. Not because the phone isn't made well, it's OK, I wouldn't go much higher than that. The sound of the speakerphone is horrible. It's difficult to hear well overall. In fact I think as far as sound quality the Apple products blow Samsung away.
What I will say however is that Samsung has by far the worse customer service I have ever seen in my entire life. Bar NONE. I have never seen a company so utterly disrespectful towards their customers.
Again this is because they essentially have a monopoly on the android market. I looked at the plus one but didn't have the money to shell out nor is it a device available through my provider.
I would also point out you make a lot of claims but back up none of them with data. You say it edges the Samsung phone in many areas. Ok if you are comparing 20 specs and it beats Samsung in 5 of them you can say "many areas" but that would hardly give it the standing as the better device.
You also start with the camera comparison. If I want a camera I'll buy a camera. The first thing the phone needs to be able to do is make calls.
I went to the website. It's essentially a camera that makes phone calls. I would also point out if they added an imbedded stylus they might be a real contender for those that use them.
You also fail to speak to the UI and how well it can be customized. You simply push a very vague narrative that it's better and people don't recognize it's better because they buy into
Essentially I wouldn't discount this device as a quality phone and I might be using one right now If they were offered through my carrier but I couldn't afford the price tag in one payment so I had few options. Just like 99% of the rest of the planet. -
fuzzylumpkin
You mad, bro?tenexe said:You in fact missed 90% of the reasons people don't pick these devices so let me clarify all the things you failed to mention that in fact are quite important.
The first is there are real concerns about Chinese Technology products collecting information and spying on us. That is actually a valid concern you fail to even recognize. You can certainly dismiss it as not important to you but if you are trying to be objective failing to mention this is undermines your credibility.
You actually failed to mention any of the biggest reasons but rather the ones you choose to endorse.
The biggest reason in the USA is because there are serious and valid concerns about Chinese companies collecting data and spying on us through their technology. A valid concern whether you mention it or not and if you want to be taken seriously you can't pick and choose.
The other big reason is because none of the carriers actually carry these phones. Most people get phones where they pay them off over time and trade them up. If this phone isn't available through that means it loses business. Has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Samsung's Cachet just availability. Not everyone can just drop 1600.00 for a new phone from their wallet at one time. Another issue you fail to mention.
It also doesn't come down to customer perception it comes down to Marketing. Again, you fail to assign any blame to the phone manufacturer you choose to support. People are essentially not that bright. If you think they have informed perceptions around anything you are delusional. People's perceptions in this day and age are based on what they are told to believe.
I've never even heard of these phones until recently. That's not Samsung's problem that's Xiaomi's problem. They fail in the area of marketing. Plain and simple. You do a great job of trying to deflect blame to the people showing yourself a true biased fanboy of the brand.
Then you go on about the foldables and mention another brand. Of course you go back to comparing to Samsung. It sounds like you have an issue with Samsung because the company you favor failed to market their devices or make them available in a competitive market. Again that's not an issue that has anything to do with Samsung.
I just bought the Galaxy S23 Ultra. It will likely be the last Samsung phone or product I will ever purchase. Not because the phone isn't made well, it's OK, I wouldn't go much higher than that. The sound of the speakerphone is horrible. It's difficult to hear well overall. In fact I think as far as sound quality the Apple products blow Samsung away.
What I will say however is that Samsung has by far the worse customer service I have ever seen in my entire life. Bar NONE. I have never seen a company so utterly disrespectful towards their customers.
Again this is because they essentially have a monopoly on the android market. I looked at the plus one but didn't have the money to shell out nor is it a device available through my provider.
I would also point out you make a lot of claims but back up none of them with data. You say it edges the Samsung phone in many areas. Ok if you are comparing 20 specs and it beats Samsung in 5 of them you can say "many areas" but that would hardly give it the standing as the better device.
You also start with the camera comparison. If I want a camera I'll buy a camera. The first thing the phone needs to be able to do is make calls.
I went to the website. It's essentially a camera that makes phone calls. I would also point out if they added an imbedded stylus they might be a real contender for those that use them.
You also fail to speak to the UI and how well it can be customized. You simply push a very vague narrative that it's better and people don't recognize it's better because they buy into
Essentially I wouldn't discount this device as a quality phone and I might be using one right now If they were offered through my carrier but I couldn't afford the price tag in one payment so I had few options. Just like 99% of the rest of the planet. -
fuzzylumpkin
Gotta admit, I only read the first paragraph or two, but I have a strong feeling that was more than enough lol.notforhire said:certainly confident -
notforhire
I skimmed ;)fuzzylumpkin said:Gotta admit, I only read the first paragraph or two, but I have a strong feeling that was more than enough lol. -
PookiePrancer
The Spyware situation certainly can't be ignored, but I think your other points are more valid. Chinese brands have no presence in the US, and that's solely on them. Have they made any effort to get a 30-second spot during the Super Bowl? Have they made any effort to get into a T-Mobile store? Do they offer local support for their products via Assurion?tenexe said:You in fact missed 90% of the reasons people don't pick these devices so let me clarify all the things you failed to mention that in fact are quite important.
The first is there are real concerns about Chinese Technology products collecting information and spying on us. That is actually a valid concern you fail to even recognize. You can certainly dismiss it as not important to you but if you are trying to be objective failing to mention this is undermines your credibility.
You actually failed to mention any of the biggest reasons but rather the ones you choose to endorse.
The biggest reason in the USA is because there are serious and valid concerns about Chinese companies collecting data and spying on us through their technology. A valid concern whether you mention it or not and if you want to be taken seriously you can't pick and choose.
The other big reason is because none of the carriers actually carry these phones. Most people get phones where they pay them off over time and trade them up. If this phone isn't available through that means it loses business. Has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Samsung's Cachet just availability. Not everyone can just drop 1600.00 for a new phone from their wallet at one time. Another issue you fail to mention.
It also doesn't come down to customer perception it comes down to Marketing. Again, you fail to assign any blame to the phone manufacturer you choose to support. People are essentially not that bright. If you think they have informed perceptions around anything you are delusional. People's perceptions in this day and age are based on what they are told to believe.
I've never even heard of these phones until recently. That's not Samsung's problem that's Xiaomi's problem. They fail in the area of marketing. Plain and simple. You do a great job of trying to deflect blame to the people showing yourself a true biased fanboy of the brand.
Then you go on about the foldables and mention another brand. Of course you go back to comparing to Samsung. It sounds like you have an issue with Samsung because the company you favor failed to market their devices or make them available in a competitive market. Again that's not an issue that has anything to do with Samsung.
I just bought the Galaxy S23 Ultra. It will likely be the last Samsung phone or product I will ever purchase. Not because the phone isn't made well, it's OK, I wouldn't go much higher than that. The sound of the speakerphone is horrible. It's difficult to hear well overall. In fact I think as far as sound quality the Apple products blow Samsung away.
What I will say however is that Samsung has by far the worse customer service I have ever seen in my entire life. Bar NONE. I have never seen a company so utterly disrespectful towards their customers.
Again this is because they essentially have a monopoly on the android market. I looked at the plus one but didn't have the money to shell out nor is it a device available through my provider.
I would also point out you make a lot of claims but back up none of them with data. You say it edges the Samsung phone in many areas. Ok if you are comparing 20 specs and it beats Samsung in 5 of them you can say "many areas" but that would hardly give it the standing as the better device.
You also start with the camera comparison. If I want a camera I'll buy a camera. The first thing the phone needs to be able to do is make calls.
I went to the website. It's essentially a camera that makes phone calls. I would also point out if they added an imbedded stylus they might be a real contender for those that use them.
You also fail to speak to the UI and how well it can be customized. You simply push a very vague narrative that it's better and people don't recognize it's better because they buy into
Essentially I wouldn't discount this device as a quality phone and I might be using one right now If they were offered through my carrier but I couldn't afford the price tag in one payment so I had few options. Just like 99% of the rest of the planet.
No. The Chinese brands have chosen to be irrelevant here, often limiting their products to the domestic market; where they have more control over perception and discourse about their products. Fishy. -
joeldf tenexe said:You actually failed to mention any of the biggest reasons but rather the ones you choose to endorse.
The biggest reason in the USA is because...
...Just like 99% of the rest of the planet.
I think you failed to realize that the article was written from a European/Asian perspective. Not one thing in it has anything to do with the US.
Yes, Huawei is outright banned in the US. Yes, Xiaomi chose to not market/sell in the US.
No, the USA is NOT like 99% of the rest of the planet when it comes to mobile phones. The US is pretty much the only country where carriers are the largest sellers of mobile phones. Verizon, T-Mobile and AT&T outsold all other retail outlets last year. Canada may sell a lot though carriers too, but I don't know much about that.
I know I only buy though AT&T. I wouldn't buy a fully Chinese produced phone. But that's just me, and I certainly don't project my feelings into thinking "that's how everyone else must feel too". -
PookiePrancer
After reading your comment, I noticed the author covers Asia. Which makes the topic even more interesting: Samsung has the best reputation in Asia, despite the fact that Chinese phones aren't as limited as they are in the US. That speaks volumes.joeldf said:I think you failed to realize that the article was written from a European/Asian perspective. Not one thing in it has anything to do with the US.
Yes, Huawei is outright banned in the US. Yes, Xiaomi chose to not market/sell in the US.
No, the USA is NOT like 99% of the rest of the planet when it comes to mobile phones. The US is pretty much the only country where carriers are the largest sellers of mobile phones. Verizon, T-Mobile and AT&T outsold all other retail outlets last year. Canada may sell a lot though carriers too, but I don't know much about that.
I know I only buy though AT&T. I wouldn't buy a fully Chinese produced phone. But that's just me, and I certainly don't project my feelings into thinking "that's how everyone else must feel too". -
joeldf
And the fact that Chinese phones are much bigger sellers overall (outside of the US). Yet Samsung still has that reputation.PookiePrancer said:After reading your comment, I noticed the author covers Asia. Which makes the topic even more interesting: Samsung has the best reputation in Asia, despite the fact that Chinese phones aren't as limited as they are in the US. That speaks volumes. -
mustang7757 One Plus is available in the US and the flagships are very good but I don't like the direction they are going because of Oppo.Reply
Another thing for US the Chinese phones don't carry much trade in compared to Apple/Samsung, don't know how their trade-in worth in other parts of the country I'm assuming not good but someone can correct me on that.