Samsung proves why the Galaxy Z Fold 5 doesn't need an S Pen slot
The new S Pen case is better than a built-in S Pen.
If you're someone who loves buying Samsung phones with S Pens built-in to the chassis, you might be a bit disappointed to learn that Samsung still isn't including one in its latest line of foldable phones.
Yes, it's true. The Galaxy Z Fold 5 doesn't have an S Pen built in, but that's not actually a problem. Last year, I imagined what it would be like if Samsung had, but the truth is that Samsung doesn't need to include one with every Fold 5 because not every user will actually take advantage of it.
Instead, Samsung is offering a line of new S Pen cases that offers the protection you need for your phone — face it, very few people want to use an $1,800 phone without a case — while adding only a scant few millimeters to the device's thickness.
That's in stark contrast to the best Galaxy Z Fold 4 S Pen cases which all offered the ability to use the S Pen Fold Edition but added considerable bulk to the phone — the thickness of an entire extra phone strapped to the back of a phone that's already twice the of the average smartphone when it's folded.
Choices matter
Everyone loves a free accessory, and that's only part of what makes phones like the Galaxy S23 Ultra so great. It comes with a free S Pen even if you don't use the thing regularly.
But I'm willing to bet that a not-insignificant number of users would be willing to buy a cheaper model without an S Pen if given the choice. In many ways, that's what Samsung is doing with the Z Fold 5 and its S Pen capabilities. Offering a better phone for the same price as last year's model and giving folks who want an S Pen the ability to use one if they want it.
Better yet, this year's Z Fold supports even more types of S Pen models than ever before, including the newly redesigned S Pen that's larger than the tiny one in the Galaxy S23 Ultra (and many generations of Galaxy Notes before it). Not only that, but Samsung seems to have remembered that people like color, as some of the pen options channel unique color styles that have been missing for years.
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In fact, this new S Pen is so good I can't believe we ever did without it. Not only is it almost the same length as last year's S Pen, but it's completely flat on the sides, so there's never a time when you'll be turning it around in your hand trying to figure out where that blasted button went.
I don't know about you, but that's always been a pet peeve of mine with every S Pen model up until now.
Docking the pen into the case as as simple as inserting the nib-end of the pen first, followed by snapping the back of the pen into the slot. Releasing it requires a bit more effort — you have to flip that little switch above the pen to eject it from the slot — which should keep it in place far more often than previous designs.
Plus, Samsung is including the new GoodNotes app on every Fold 5 which offers far more options to take notes, make drawings, and harness the power of that pen than ever before.
While most of this is extremely positive, my big disappointment this year is that we still can't use the S Pen on the cover display. I'm not sure how useful the narrow outer display would be for pen usage most of the time, but I've wanted to be able to jot down quick notes on it ever since Samsung introduced S Pen compatibility to the Fold 3.
It's also worth noting that the switch mechanism makes it a little more work to detach from the case than the simple holster design last year's case used. If you'd rather prioritize the ease of removing the pen over the size of it, you can still get a great Galaxy Z Fold 5 S Pen case that'll put that larger pen somewhere else.
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Village_Idiot If Samsung does this, I would seriously consider getting a foldable.Reply
https://www.androidcentral.com/phones/galaxy-z-fold-6-attachable-s-pen-patent
I like the S pen on the back design. -
Village_Idiot
Works pretty well on the Galaxy Tab S cases.fuzzylumpkin said:Smells like apologism... -
fuzzylumpkin
So does the physical qwerty keyboard, let's stick that to the back of the Fold as well. And what are the #TeamNoCase people supposed to do?Village_Idiot said:Works pretty well on the Galaxy Tab S cases. -
Village_Idiot
That is a false comparison.fuzzylumpkin said:So does the physical qwerty keyboard, let's stick that to the back of the Fold as well. And what are the #TeamNoCase people supposed to do?
Besides, why should Samsung cater to an very small group of users. The vast majority of smart phone users use cases. -
fuzzylumpkin
It was supposed to be, to point out the same of your comparisson. Anyway, I don't really care that much. I just don't think we should be thanking Samsung for a half baked solution on a $1800 device. The Fold and the S-pen are catering to a very small group of users in and of themselves.Village_Idiot said:That is a false comparison.
Besides, why should Samsung cater to an very small group of users. The vast majority of smart phone users use cases.
I used the S21 Ultra which had a separate S-Pen, and the experience wasn't a very good one. -
Village_Idiot
That's why I didn't get the S21 Ultra.fuzzylumpkin said:I used the S21 Ultra which had a separate S-Pen, and the experience wasn't a very good one.
Calling the solution "half baked" is not a fair comparison. Engineering a new type of device like a Z Fold or Z Flip is easier said than done. Samsung had to make decisions on whether or not to provide an in-phone S pen storage solution. Those decisions were based on a lot of factors. User preference is only one of those factors. Any engineer worth his or her salt knows that designing something and then having to produce it in large quantities is no simple matter.
My question to you is this. If you think that this solution is half-baked, then why don't you design and engineer a foldable phone that meets all of the specifications that you would like, market it, and mass produce it? -
fuzzylumpkin
2 reasons.Village_Idiot said:That's why I didn't get the S21 Ultra.
Calling the solution "half baked" is not a fair comparison. Engineering a new type of device like a Z Fold or Z Flip is easier said than done. Samsung had to make decisions on whether or not to provide an in-phone S pen storage solution. Those decisions were based on a lot of factors. User preference is only one of those factors. Any engineer worth his or her salt knows that designing something and then having to produce it in large quantities is no simple matter.
My question to you is this. If you think that this solution is half-baked, then why don't you design and engineer a foldable phone that meets all of the specifications that you would like, market it, and mass produce it?
1. I don't have the skills
2. I don't have the resources.
It's nice of you to assume I have the capabilities of a multi billion dollar, multinational mega-corporation, but I can't meet your expectations.
Samsung on the other hand has both of those things in abundance. But they are slowly milking design updates year over year to keep people buying. -
Village_Idiot fuzzylumpkin said:2 reasons.
1. I don't have the skills
2. I don't have the resources.
It's nice of you to assume I have the capabilities of a multi billion dollar, multinational mega-corporation, but I can't meet your expectations.
Samsung on the other hand has both of those things in abundance. But they are slowly milking design updates year over year to keep people buying.
“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.” - John Lydgate.
My whole point throughout this conversation. Samsung knows there are people who are not going like some of the choices it has to make. It had to make engineering choices. Phones don't just magically build themselves. For every new design that Samsung and other OEMs produce, they must then figure out how to make them. Samsung must rejigger its assembly lines to accommodate the new design. That takes time and costs money.
If you don't like the way Samsung (or any other OEM) did something, you have the choice of not buying it.
As for your two "reasons," they are excuses to not try. Remember, Jeff Bezos started Amazon from his parents' garage.