Arm is giving Qualcomm the wake-up call it needs
Qualcomm needs Arm more than Arm needs Qualcomm.
Arm is the company inside every phone you can buy today. It designed the processor architecture that companies like Qualcomm, Apple, Google, and MediaTek use to build chips, as well as the processors from companies like Nvidia that power the AI future. They're a pretty big deal. That's why Nvidia tried to use its deep pockets to buy Arm outright in a deal that was thankfully blocked by the FTC.
They also gave Qualcomm a 60-day notice to stop making those chips. Yes, the company that powers a large portion of phones and tablets around the globe has to stop making the main product it sells. Maybe.
Of course, each side is quick to say why they are on the right, and the other side isn't. Qualcomm says in a statement:
This is more of the same from ARM – more unfounded threats designed to strongarm a longtime partner, interfere with our performance-leading CPUs, and increase royalty rates regardless of the broad rights under our architecture license. With a trial fast approaching in December, Arm’s desperate ploy appears to be an attempt to disrupt the legal process, and its claim for termination is completely baseless. We are confident that Qualcomm’s rights under its agreement with Arm will be affirmed. Arm’s anticompetitive conduct will not be tolerated.
And Arm's statement:
Following Qualcomm’s repeated material breaches of Arm’s license agreement, Arm is left with no choice but to take formal action requiring Qualcomm to remedy its breach or face termination of the agreement. This is necessary to protect the unparalleled ecosystem that Arm and its highly valued partners have built over more than 30 years. Arm is fully prepared for the trial in December and remains confident that the Court will find in Arm’s favor.
Let's be real for a minute — this won't happen. The two companies will reach a last-minute agreement that allows Qualcomm to keep making chips because Qualcomm is dead if they're forced to stop making money. This is Arm playing hardball with Qualcomm because it thinks Qualcomm was playing fast and loose with the terms of a contract.
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How did we get to this point? In 2021 Qualcomm spent $1.4 billion to buy Nuvia, a company that designed and built high-powered Arm chips for servers. The acquisition itself was a little touch and go because Nuvia's founder was a chip designer for Apple and was under an agreement that the company would not build chips that compete with Apple products.
There was a problem though. Nuvia had a license from Arm to use the company's architecture and original designs, which Arm says was not transferrable. Qualcomm claimed differently and integrated Nuvia's work into its own chips without renegotiating a new contract. It sounds really dumb to us, but Arm says Qualcomm wasn't legally allowed to use the ideas it paid for because they were based on ideas of another company. This is the type of thing that allows lawyers to exist.
Arm kept saying you have to come to the table for new terms, Qualcomm kept saying nope, and now Arm has had enough and says Qualcomm can no longer use its intellectual property 60 days from now.
Now, to the part why this isn't going to happen. Qualcomm depends on Arm, but Arm considers Qualcomm just another customer. In 61 days if Qualcomm stops making Arm chips for phones, tablets, laptops, routers, and every other gadget you can imagine Arm still has plenty of other customers. Arm would surely feel the loss financially and it's possible that Qualcomm would sue for the return of money paid for the rest of any contract, but Apple, Nvidia, Samsung, MediaTek, and a slew of other companies would keep chugging along and continue to pay Arm.
You can see where this is going: Qualcomm needs Arm. Arm doesn't need Qualcomm. The two companies working together is lucrative for both sides, but if the partnership ends Arm will survive.
Qualcomm will do whatever it takes to keep on making chips. Maybe Qualcomm should have complied with Arm's wishes sooner, but Qualcomm is no stranger to litigation and acting the bully when it comes to the chip industry. It's a tactic that has worked in the past and a strategy to continue to use until it stops working. Qualcomm makes some fabulous products, but its business practices aren't nearly as wonderful.
Other companies would be affected if Qualcomm drops off the face of the chip world, too. Some, like Apple and other chip makers, would benefit by way of more foundry time to have their own chips built (unless the U.S. government shuts TSMC down, that is) or gain a new set of customers. Others, like phone manufacturers or companies that make IoT devices, would suffer because they've designed products for a component that's no longer available. Switching to an alternative is expensive and difficult.
Consumers would suffer. Imagine a Galaxy S25 launch with extremely limited availability because there just isn't enough of Samsung's own chips available to make 100 million new phones. Other companies that don't also build in-house chips would have it even worse and scramble to incorporate another product as the heart of their new phone.
Killing off Qualcomm's main business would be a disaster for the consumer market. Both sides know it, just as they know an agreement has to be reached.
In the meantime, it's always fun to see the big dog squirm a little bit. Arm leveraging the proverbial worst-case scenario to get Qualcomm to comply is more entertaining than business as usual.
Jerry is an amateur woodworker and struggling shade tree mechanic. There's nothing he can't take apart, but many things he can't reassemble. You'll find him writing and speaking his loud opinion on Android Central and occasionally on Threads.
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jasaero That right there is a pretty biased take! Haha. ARM is really more the one making themselves look bad in all of this. Up until they did what they did with Nuvia there was a lot of investment in startup chip designers using ARM architecture licenses. Your startup didn't even need tons of cash to actually tape out and produce the design if the business model was more about selling off the IP eventually. It's not clear if this was Nuvia's business model...but I HIGHLY doubt they would have went as far as they did without more efforts to get versions of the chips into fabs than what seems to have happened with something in their license that basically said they had too as they couldn't sell the IP. ARM is basically making it look like they OWN the IP produced with some startups architecture license when that is I doubt at all what these licenses/contracts say.Reply
But beyond all of that, you also have Qualcomm who has their OWN architecture license and it's very hard to prove they did anything other than use the Nuvia team and their memories to design the qualcomm take on what they did at Nuvia with some stuff done just to target it more for smartphones than servers.
At the end of the day it's quite obvious ARM thinks they NEED revenue from qualcomm TLA's that are much more lucrative than what they will get from ALA Qualcomm will utilize with the designs from the Nuvia team and it's really as simple as that and nothing else. At this point ARM is effectively saying ALA's now only exist for entities like Apple who have no interest in really selling chips to 3rd parties or selling their IP off to 3rd parties. The ALA was always a lot less expensive thing as you have to do lots of your own work to design a chip that jus uses the ARM architecture...but now it's basically looking like all the work belongs to ARM from ARMs perspective more or less.
As bad as Qualcomm can get about using lawyers to go over the top in the use of their stuff...ARM sorta is one upping them here. I don't think anyone would ever have assumed the ALA could get ruined the the point ARM seems to be ruining it. ARM want's to be the only ARM architecture designer in the land it seems...unless some company really just wants something very unique for their own internal uses like Apple does. The idea of ARM compatible chip sellers with their own designs rather than ARM TLA designs is basically getting killed off. -
jheithaus Qualcomm should ditch ARM and switch to RISCV. I think Arm is over without Qualcomm. All Qualcomm has to do is switch to RISCV and ban 5G IP licenses to ARM SOCs. I doubt Jensen or Cook will want to stay on ARM after watching this anyways. I really don’t understand that value of ARM over RISCV.Reply -
moka62 I find it hard to side with either company. Most likely there is no shortage of greed on both sides.Reply
I think the key point is this:
Qualcomm will do whatever it takes to keep on making chips.
I highly doubt consumers will have anything to worry about. At the end of the day this is Qualcomm betting that they will have to pay less in a legal settlement than they would negotiating with ARM outright. ARM is betting the opposite. The rest of us get to grab popcorn and watch the lawyers laugh their way to the bank. -
Jerry Hildenbrand
The value of arm is that companies like Qualcomm don't have to spend billions and billions to make the switch to an entirely different architecture.jheithaus said:Qualcomm should ditch ARM and switch to RISCV. I think Arm is over without Qualcomm. All Qualcomm has to do is switch to RISCV and ban 5G IP licenses to ARM SOCs. I doubt Jensen or Cook will want to stay on ARM after watching this anyways. I really don’t understand that value of ARM over RISCV.
Ban 5g IP? that kills every cell site in North America. It also means Qualcomm either breaks out its networking division or gets banned in the US for abusing monopoly powers.
Jensen and Cook like making billions, not spending billions to switch even if riscv is better in the long run. The move away from arm will be very slow because it interferes with the money machine.
Yup. Let them fight so we can watch. Neither loses — we get to lose when prices go up so they can still make 18% margins and not have to cut back CEO bonuses.moka62 said:I find it hard to side with either company. Most likely there is no shortage of greed on both sides.
I think the key point is this:
I highly doubt consumers will have anything to worry about. At the end of the day this is Qualcomm betting that they will have to pay less in a legal settlement than they would negotiating with ARM outright. ARM is betting the opposite. The rest of us get to grab popcorn and watch the lawyers laugh their way to the bank.